Chris, just an extra note for you... Even if the fish have been stunted, they still need a larger tank if they're going to survive without further problems. Maybe you can help your friend find a used tank in the appropriate size range? If he should do that, tell him to use the water from this tank to get the larger tank started, which will serve as a large water change and help ease the fish through any cycling that may happen. If he uses the filter media, gravel, etc. from the current tank once it's cycled, that too will help to ease a larger tank through the changes that will occur.
Best of luck to your friend and those fish!
Dawn
Dawn Moneyhan
Aquatics Specialist/Nutritionist
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--- On Mon, 7/2/12, Chris <cris.1117@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Chris <cris.1117@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] Sick Parrots
To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 2, 2012, 3:29 PM
Hi. Thanks again for the quick replies, from what you have said I would guess these fish may well be stunted, I would guess they are about 6" long but are very rounded a bit like balloon mollies.
I did think they looked a bit cramped; the 125litre tank is the main tank.
Anyway I have forwarded your replies to my friend and he has decided to try your suggestions.
He has asked me to thank you all very much for your time and help.
I visit this forum every couple of days as well as the adf forum, a mine of information, great work folks keep it up.
Thanks again. Chris
--- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, Dawn Moneyhan <dawnshungryeyes4u2c@...> wrote:
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> I agree with everything Ray has said here. While my choice of medication would have differed, everything else we are in agreement on. Considering the conditions of the tank as well as the fish I would have suggested Melafix for a medication. There is less potential for issues with toxicity if the tank is cycling and it works quite well on parrot fish plus it has antibacterial as well as antifungal benefits besides being all natural ingredients. There are some fish that don't respond to it as well or at all, but for this situation that would be my first choice. It will be less harsh on the fish if they are experiencing other issues due to their previous and/or current conditions.
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> Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] Sick Parrots
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> If this Bio-Clean product works (and it may, I'm not questioning it), then
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