Any thoughts then?
Donna
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From: tuvix72 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Re: H2O2 use
Now that I think about it... anacharis doesn't take to excel or metricide too
well either...
Giancarlo
--- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, tuvix72 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> The only reason to prefer an in-tank treatment with H2O2 is due to the roots
>remaining protected and out of the oxidization threat. This has proven to be a
>good backup when eccessive H2O2 concentrations have been used and the plant has
>been damaged, luckily it quickly comes back from the root structure. If you dose
>out of tank, do a quick 1 minute dip holding the roots out of the bucket.
>
> If you have read my article on using H2O2, you can do the same "Spot treatment"
>using Flourish Excel, or even spray Excel on the BBA while the plant is out of
>the water... it only takes a couple spot treatments to put BBA in it's place.
>With filters turned off, spot treatment is quite easy and safe in the tank
>itself, be it using H2O2, Metricide or Excel. The important thing is to use less
>of either product so that once the filter is turned back on it dilutes enough
>and remains under the concentration of what would otherwise be a "whole tank"
>treatment.
>
> While I have pulled plants out in the past, I actually prefer not to in most
>cases. Uprooting a plant will slow down it's growth rate as it needs to re-root,
>this will often amplify the cause of the algae in the first place. Never forget
>that as mysterious as algae growth Vs plant growth may still be, we do know that
>algae growth is negatively impacted by the growth rate of complex plant species.
>This is why you may hear some of the plant experts advice people to concentrate
>on growing the plants rather than killing the algae... there's a strong
>relationship between the two.
>
> With all that said... Anacharis being a fast growing stem plant, you can only
>burn the effected algae off, leaving a mess of damaged leaves behind... My
>advice is to heavily prune the plant of it's effected areas. Hopefully the
>growing tips are in health and clean, if so, top the plant and throw out the
>bottom part and simply replant the tips as you would new stems. Trimming is
>often the best way to remove damaged or algae infected areas of a plant.
>Anacharis is delicate and I am not certain how it will take H2O2 to be honest...
>if you're going to dip them out of the tank as planned, cut the stems close to
>the base and leave the root structure and about an inch of stem above the
>substrate. A nice bush will usually result from such a pruning and you can still
>treat and replant the stems you are trying to salvage.
>
> Let us know how you make out
> Giancarlo Podio
>
> --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna, I don't see any reason why you can't remove the Anacharis to a bucket
>for treatment. As the plant doesn't have as near an extent of roots as stem
>plants, and takes in much of its nutrients through its "leaves," rather than
>most of the food being taken up through the roots, your disturbing it will only
>temporarily disrupt its anchorage. You may probably even have a good deal of it
>floating right now, anyhow.
>
> >
> > As this is a more delicate plant in terms of impurities in its environment, I
>would be cautious when treating it with anything. As some members may not have
>noticed the Subject Line, I should probably repeat that you're intending to use
>Hydrogen Peroxide (at 3% solution, I would determine). Normally, when dosing a
>tank with this (which I know is not your plan), one would use about 1 ounce (2
>Tablespoons) of H2O2 per 10 gallons, which is often effective without redosing,
>and also safe for the fish.
> >
> > You can use this same proportion in a 5 gallon bucket, overnight as a bath,
>at 1 Tablespoon per 5 gallons; some hobbyists use 2 ounces (4 Tablespoons) per
>10 gallons -- or 1 ounce (2 Tablespoons per 5 gallons) -- but without fish,
>presumedly with thougher leaved plants. When dosing Anacharis with anything,
>including H2O2, I'd suggest sampling the results first and don't be in a hurry
>to do the whole job at the moment. Try a bit of Anacharis first, to see how it
>reacts o the peroxide, and also to see how well the amount of peroxide affects
>the Black Brush Algae.
> >
> > Other shorter duration dips, but at higher strength dosages may be used --
>but again, I'd do so with Anacharis only after a trial. A 30 minute dip using 4
>ounces (8 Tablespoons) of H2O2 can be used -- or a 30 second dip using a 5-to-1
>ratio of water to H2O2 can also be used. This would be like using 20 ounces (2
>1/2 cups) of water to 4 ounces (1/2 cup) of H2O2. Both of these latter methods
>should definitely be done only on a sampling of Anacharis first.
>
> >
> > Quite often, Flourish Excel is used against Black Brush Algae very
>effectively, as a bath at double the normal dose (or at a 5-1 ratio for 30
>seconds), BUT Excel will also melt some more tender plants -- INCLUDING
>Valisneria and Anacharis. As it is reported that Peroxide will kill Valisneria,
>you can see why you need to be cautious with H2O2, with Anacharis -- even though
>I'm not aware of any reports indicating Anacharis would be similarly adversly
>sffected by Peroxide..
> >
> > You may instead want to use chlorine bleach as a quick dip to treat the
>Anacharis. In this case, you'd use a 19-to-1 ratio of water to bleach (regular
>strength bleach, not "Ultra"); that is, 19 (or 20) ounces of water to 1 ounce of
>bleach.. For delicate plants, you dip them in this solution for between 2 and 3
>minutes. Tougher, wide leaved plants, for 4 to 5 minutes, AFTER WHICH, the
>plants should immediately be immersed in a bucket of water containing a
>dechlorinator. A Potassium Permangante dip, for 20 minutes, can also be used as
>an algaecide. With any method you use, more caution needs to be exercised with
>Anacharis. Ray
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, Donna King <donnalynneking@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > Glub's (goldfish) 75 is doing well but his anacharis while still doing well
>is
>
> > > getting lots of black brush algae. I really don't want to treat in the
>tank.
>
> > > Can I remove these plant to treat them in a bucket, give them a rinse and
>then
>
> > > place them back in his tank? How much would I use to 5 gallons of water? I
>
> > > realize its going to come back but I'd like to control whats on the plants
> > > anyway.
> > >
> > > Donna
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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