Hi Dawn
I am very interested in this topic as when my son was young we had very poor success in keeping fancy goldfish.
Could you confirm that the gallons you mention are US Gallons and not imperial.
I have done some US Gallon conversion to litres and it seems that Goldifsh need very large tanks which is where I am sure I went wrong all those years ago. If this is the case it is criminal for Fish Shops to sell very tiny tanks and bowls to keep them in!!
Sue Francis
Surrey, England.
--- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, Dawn Moneyhan <dawnshungryeyes4u2c@...> wrote:
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> I calculated the measurements you gave me, and I am still guessing at the tank volume because you did not include the height in the measurements. From the sounds of it, the smaller tank is approximately 15 - 20 gallons and the larger tank is approximately 30 - 45 gallons. However they figure out with height, any of those tanks is far too small to raise goldfish in a healthy way.Â
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> Knowing that the 2 fish became ill after moving them to the smaller tank now makes much more sense, considering the size/volume of the tank. As much as I hate to say it, no matter what treatment you use for these fish, keeping them in that size of a tank is going to bring further health issues until they die. There is no way to raise 2 healthy fancy goldfish to adulthood in such small conditions.
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> Please be aware, the epsom salt will only treat the fish that is floating upside down, and that also will only be a temporary fix to the problem if the fish remain in such a small tank. As I stated in my last post, the issues with swim bladder problems tend to come from bacterial infections (internal) and dirty water (which leads to bacterial infections).Â
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> For 15 - 20 gallons of water, I would suggest 3 tablespoons of epsom salt. Here are a couple of links to what you need, please let me know if you still have a problem in getting it.
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> Unfortunately, the only real long term solution to your problem is to get those fish into a much larger tank...
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> You did not mention what the water temp is in your tank, but I would suggest keeping it between 65F - 72F (18.33C - 22.22C), especially while the fish are ill. The cooler water temperature will help them to heal faster and will help ensure they have plenty of oxygen content in their tank water.
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> The only other suggestion I can make at this time is to start daily water changes to ensure the water quality is in very good condition. 10 - 15% each day will help a lot, especially if you do a gravel vac during each change to help avoid any build up of organics. Goldfish are one of the dirtiest fish there are, they pass an extremely high amount of waste in comparison to most other fish. Carbon in the filter should be changed about every 20 - 30 days to be sure it is able to continue absorbing the heavy waste of the fish. If you can accomplish all of this, those fish should begin to grow again, and at a very rapid rate... so now is the time to begin searching for a much larger tank.
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> Subject: [tropical fish club] Re: Help Lionhead goldfish
> To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
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> The tank is 60cms length and 25 cms wide and is made of glass.
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> The epsom salt is not available in the pharma I live at.
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> Pls give me the treatment dose of epsom salt.
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> I also have 90 cms length and 30 cms wide glass tank which I actually bought for this lionhead goldfish but the other fishes started troubling them so I took these away from it and kept in 2 ft tank and after introducting them in 2ft tank only they started getting sick..
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> Thanks for everyone in our group who helped me giving direction on treatment.
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> Last time I asked for help to save my sick fighter fish and it died after few hrs I sent to group but this time i have chance to save my goldfish.
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