Again, sorry- just tested again, no nitrite in tap water.
Tank is now PH-7.4 and kH-under 71 after another 5 gallon water change. Did a 10 gallon change last night (actually at 1 AM!)
--- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Alyce W" <frogg_lady54@...> wrote:
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> Sorry, Ray! I didn't add there is NO gravel in the frog tank, just the rocks. I feed the frogs crickets, live, and was feeding Reptomin or raw fish (salmon, catfish, flounder, haddock, or tilapia) also a few times a week instead of the crickets. Last week they have gotten only crickets because the tank is so cloudy I was afraid I couldn't SEE to clean up the mess they make with fish and Reptomin. :-(
> Does coral SMELL when wet? I washed off that rock I took out of the fish tank in March, and it SMELLS kind of like the frog tank with all that baking soda...almost fishy but definitely strange!
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> --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@> wrote:
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> > Alyce,
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> > In trying to eliminate some sources of your water problem, I'm assuming (hopefully correctly) that you've never had a problem with the Rainbow rocks during the 15 years you used them. As there must be something other than the natural biological processes going on in your frog tank to be lowering your KH and pH so rapidly, the only other thing I can think of -- besides acidy foods being fed to the frogs, which you never answered me about -- would be the gravel. This does not explain the high jumps of the nitrite though. Have you tested the tap water for nitrite? Perhaps you have nitrite already in the water you're adding to the frog tank.
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> > The nitrite itself though would not have an effect on the KH or pH, unless/until the nitrate level rises considerably -- which in your case it doesn't. So, we're back to the gravel as being the possible cause for this when there's nothing else left to consider. If the "rock" in your fish tank is coral, then this would explain why that tank's water is not being affected, even if it's using the same gravel -- if that's the problem.
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> > Try taking a portion of the gravel out of the frog tank and putting it in a small plastic, glass or enamel (but not metal) container and add tap water to it. Check it after 24 hours for KH and pH and let us know the results.
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> > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Alyce W" <frogg_lady54@> wrote:
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> > > Ray, thank you. There is gravel and decorations (plastic) in the fish tank, LOTS of good places for bacteria to build up. Frogs have only 3 large Rainbow Rocks that I have used in their tank (the last two and THIS 55) for 15 years, plus a silk and a plastic plant. Both tanks have Whisper HOB 60 filter, but FOUR pads in the froggy tank filter (two sponge, two bio-bags, never changed only rinsed in old tank water when plugged) and just two bio-bags in fish tank. What gets me crazy is that the fish filters plug up a lot and hubby takes it upon himself to "help" so rinses them in TAP water or just changes them and I have a heart attack, but tank stays stable!
> > > No, no wood in either tank.
> > > I have tested the water I have in jugs (gallon, treated with NovAqua+ and AmQuel+) that I always used for daily replacement water when I clean out a gallon or two of poo and any debris from the frog tank. That water tests out PH 7.6, kH 125 to 143 (the color change is in between, exactly like the tap water) even after 48 hours. Gh is always 161.
> > > This morning the frog tank was PH 7.2 and fish tank 7.6, I am about to do a water change on frog tank. KH is only 53 on frog tank.
> > > This has me CRAZY! I am waiting for the mail to get a supply of coral sand.
> > > Oh, in the fish tank is a rock that looks like CORAL! and some sea shells! (just a few) I took a "rock" out of the fish tank that was leaving white residue like wet flour around it on the gravel; I took this out MONTHS ago and wonder if it is ANOTHER piece of coral; it is a different shape than the one I left IN the fish tank! Maybe these ARE coral and HELPING????
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> > > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@> wrote:
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> > > > Alyce,
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> > > > It's not unusual for some tap water to change while it sits -- even if just stitting in a bucket over 24 hours and not being in an aquarium. But since you don't have this problem in the tank that holds fish, it would seem we can rule this out.
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> > > > Is there anything else in the frog tank that you haven't mentioned, that may contribute to this drop in KH and pH? Are you using any different gravel than what you're using in your fish tank? I guess you don't have driftwood or you would have replied to that question. What about any different rocks or ornaments?
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> > > > The precipitation of carbonates from the baking soda can make the water cloudy, since it's falling out of dissolution. This is yet another reason to go with more "natural" buffering elements found in the water and to do water changes rather than to add baking soda. Your last test results all looked much better, even if your ammonia was up slightly. I wouldn't worry very much at all with a nitrate reading of 5.0. Just one curious question for now, are you feeding the frogs any foods that would be considered acidic? Do you have undergravel filtration?
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> > > > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Alyce W" <frogg_lady54@> wrote:
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> > > > > Ray, thank you for such valuable input! Okay, you might not have misread, I have been like a chicken with it's head cut off so it might have been MY fault!
> > > > > Here are test results right after I did a 60 to 70% water change: PH-7.6, kH-107.4, gH-161, ammonia-0, nitrite-betwen 1.0 and 2.0 (hard to tell with the color, but there should NOT have been this at all! Contamination, maybe?)I added a double dose of AmQuel+ for the nitrites. In about 6 hours I tested again and PH had gone DOWN! Looked awfully light on the test, I was sure it was 6.8 to 7.0. KH had dropped to 53.7+ I added baking soda, the values went up. I added more soda in the middle of the night. This morning it was 7.6 PH, 89 kH, 0.50 ammonia, 0.25 nitrites. All day the same, it started dropping again tonight. PH 6.6, kH under 53. The tank is so cloudy I cannot see the frogs!
> > > > > Tomorrow, I'll do another water change and will just continue to do large daily water changes until I get that coral sand and it is working!
> > > > > Tests now are: PH-6.8, kH-71.6, ammonia-0, nitrite-0.25, nitrate-under5 but not quite zero. I have to add more soda tonight, and get the water change done in the morning. Does that sound okay?
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