Ray, I was ALWAYS a freak about keeping the filter clean before. I left it in because the large tank seemed to keep spiking ammonia and nitrite and would not cycle. I was told (I won't say by whom) that I was killing all my good bacteria by replacing the bio-bags weekly. I should leave the filter alone until it cycles.:-( So I only rinsed them in old tank water once.
Unfortunately, after a stable night my tank is again losing kH and PH is slowly dropping. I can't SEE in it so I siphoned the entire bottom to remove any poo this afternoon (I always do that daily, sometimes twice a day if I see any poo) I am going to keep an eye on it and do another water change if it goes any further down.
Thank you for your help! The fish tank filters while THAT one was cycling kept clogging so my hubby rinsed them (in SINK water!) and replaced them, yet it did not harm. I HAD thought the filter should be left alone during cycling...now I have LEARNED something new!
--- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@...> wrote:
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> Alyce,.
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> Didn't I tell you that I thought there was definitely something missing from this whole equation, since what you were telling me just didn't add up? And that I asked you for any further input which could contribute towards your problem? This was IT!!! I thought you told me that you were doing proper aquarium maintenance, including keeping the filter clean . . . or maybe I just assumed it since you don't have this problem with your fish aquarium and must be doing the same type of maintenance with it. I have to guess (again) that you never had this problem with you fish aquarium when you were cycling it either, or you would have mentioned it(?). Would you leave fish or frog waste on the bottoms of their aquariums? I think NOT -- or at least I would hope not. Why would you then leave all this frog waste in your filter, with not only severely restricts the water flow and renders your filter next to useless, but continually puts the products of this frog waste back into your aquarium? You hav e a lot to learn about propere aquarium maintenance. And BTW, forget about using crushed coral, now that you've removed the source nof your aquarium pollution. As for cleaning the filter media, never rinse it under tap water -- warm or cold -- if that's what you're doing. If you're so worried about the beneficial bacteria, I just wanted you to know this will kill them -- in case this is what you're doing. Filter media should always be rinsed in a container of aquarium water to keep the bacteria alive.
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> --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Alyce W" <frogg_lady54@> wrote:
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> > Will do! I have avoided baking soda except this morning when I woke up to a PH drop to under 6.6. I think Suzy (a Froggy Friend) came up with my bio-load problem...FILTER! I had been trying to cycle this tank so left the two sponged untouched and hadn't rinsed the bio-bags in weeks! The whole filter housing was full of brown gunk which I thought was my good bacteria! I cleaned the whole thing out in warm water with a paper towel and a filter brush. I left the sponges in a bucket of siphoned out tank water, and soaked two new carbon filters (bio-bags) in the bucket while cleaning the filter housing. The impeller was BROWN! Once finished, I swished and squeezed out the sponges, replaced them and the biobags into the housing, and did a 30 to 40% water change. Water still cloudy, but PH was 7.6, kH 125 or so at 10:00. It looks like the kH dropped a bit because at 8:30 I needed 7 drops to turn it yellow, at 10 I needed only 6 1/2. I will test again before bed and PRAY! Thank you so much for helping me!
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> > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@> wrote:
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> > > Alyce,
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> > > While the Kritter Keep's top is grated, most of the water from the filter's outlet flow will be deflected. You're better off with adding the crushed coral directly to the filter. As I said, you'll continue to have cloudy water as long as you're using baking soda.
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> > > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Alyce W" <frogg_lady54@> wrote:
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> > > > Thanks, Ray! I put a container in the tank itself under the filter with coral sand in it; it is a "Kritter Keeper" with a grated top; all open slats. My filter has FOUR pads (two sponge, two bio-bags...only one has carbon in it) so I will replace one with coral sand if I need to!
> > > > Tank ran 7.4 PH for almost a day and a half, but it is so cloudy I can't see the frogs! It dropped again tonight to 6.2! :-( I did a 15 gallon water change and added baking soda, now it is 6.8, kH about 71.
> > > > I'll be babysitting it to see if I need more baking soda while I wait for the coral sand to kick in.
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> > > > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@> wrote:
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> > > > > Hi Donna,
> > > > >
> > > > > With nothing else left in the tank except a few safe "rainbow rocks" and the frogs themselves -- and without any gravel -- This now would seem to point only to the frogs. I don't see how 5 frogs in a 55 gallon tank could create so much waste as to affect the water quality so quickly, unless they're Bullfrogs (LOL), but as I see it, Alyce will have to change more water and add crushed coral to the filters. Exactlt how much coral needed will have to be determined, as each aquarium is different depending on its parameters (KH and pH) and the forces (waste) acting against the parameters. I think I suggestred starting with 6 Tablespoons of it, then check the KH and pH as the days go on and as otherwise regular maintenance (PWC's. etc.) is done -- testing before doing the water changes. After several days, a pattern should start to emerge as to which way these parameters are going.
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> > > > > --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, Donna King <donnalynneking@> wrote:
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> > > > > > Hi Ray,
> > > > > > Would it help if she sent some photo's of this tank? Maybe something will jump
> > > > > > out at you.
> > > > > > Donna
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> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Ray <sevenspringss@>
> > > > > > Re: OT-Aquarium Water Question, Need Help!
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> > > > > > Alyce,
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> > > > > > In trying to eliminate some sources of your water problem, I'm assuming
> > > > > > (hopefully correctly) that you've never had a problem with the Rainbow rocks
> > > > > > during the 15 years you used them. As there must be something other than the
> > > > > > natural biological processes going on in your frog tank to be lowering your KH
> > > > > > and pH so rapidly, the only other thing I can think of -- besides acidy foods
> > > > > > being fed to the frogs, which you never answered me about -- would be the
> > > > > > gravel. This does not explain the high jumps of the nitrite though. Have you
> > > > > > tested the tap water for nitrite? Perhaps you have nitrite already in the water
> > > > > > you're adding to the frog tank.
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> > > > > > The nitrite itself though would not have an effect on the KH or pH, unless/until
> > > > > > the nitrate level rises considerably -- which in your case it doesn't. So,
> > > > > > we're back to the gravel as being the possible cause for this when there's
> > > > > > nothing else left to consider. If the "rock" in your fish tank is coral, then
> > > > > > this would explain why that tank's water is not being affected, even if it's
> > > > > > using the same gravel -- if that's the problem.
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> > > > > > Try taking a portion of the gravel out of the frog tank and putting it in a
> > > > > > small plastic, glass or enamel (but not metal) container and add tap water to
> > > > > > it. Check it after 24 hours for KH and pH and let us know the results.
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