Well said John...
If predators need smaller fish to eat that is one thing but to use and dispose of them needlessly is something different.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Nora
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, SIMMONDS JOHN <simmonds.john@...> wrote:
>
> I feel I have to jump in here after seeing to Monica's suggestion to use
> 'Feeder' Goldfish. Kez, the original poster, does not want to inflict any
> suffering after having seen the demise of one Goldfish due to bad advice
> from a store so to use them in this manner would be morally wrong for her I
> think. Once the system is cycled or for any other reason the Feeder fish
> are no longer needed then what happens to them-flushed down the sewer
> perhaps?
>
> If this treatment happened on a widespread daily basis to 'cuddly & cute'
> bunnies & kittens then there would be an outcry but because they are 'only
> fish' it doesn't seem to matter & we continue to ignore it. The fact that
> these disposable creatures could, if properly housed live long, happy lives
> seem immaterial. Now that fishless cycling is widely known about, to use an
> intelligent, trusting & friendly animal merely for testing just because
> they are cheap & plentiful is, in my opinion, not only unnecessary but it
> goes against everything that a responsible fish keeper should be aiming
> for. If you use one creature to feed another that would ordinarily eat that
> food in the wild then that is fine but as far as I am aware nothing eats
> Goldfish in the wild as part of any natural food chain.
>
> I maintain ponds & I cannot think of one instance where I have put the
> needs of an expensive fish ahead of a cheap one, they both inhabit the same
> pond & they both contribute to the balance of that pond's eco system. The
> monetary value is only something that we, in our vanity put on the
> creature-the perception & value of life from the viewpoint of both the
> cheap Goldfish & the expensive Koi is exactly the same & that is the way I
> work. I realise this may be at odds with many fish keepers but that is my
> viewpoint & has been from day one.
>
> John*<o)))<
>
> *
> On 31 May 2012 00:29, m davis <davis4000_2000@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > betas are OK as long as u have 1 male and maybe 2 females. males will
> > fight, sometimes to the death. Just to start, and not put a lot of money
> > in it, you might get some feeder goldfish---i get 'em 6/$1 and see how u
> > like the fish, before investing serious money in to the hobby. but if u
> > want to spend it, betas are fine, tetras are pretty good, 2. good luck;
> > sometimes folks in those pet stores are dumb as a box of rocks. it pays to
> > do your research on the internet before you waste mooney on unsuitable
> > fish.,monica
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: kezzabeast <kagedkez@...>
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:05 PM
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Which Fish?? Bettas?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > I was recently ripped off by an independent retailer (1 gallon bowl, 2
> > goldfish, hence 1 died within 48 hours, returned to shop, false info from
> > them initially)
> > I will be getting a 30litre bioOrb donated from a friend as i would love
> > to have some fish in the house.
> > I was initially looking at Betta's, but I have just read its hard to keep
> > them together and they can be aggressive.
> >
> > What would you recommend? I am looking to get two or three fish if
> > possible. I will not be getting goldfish again. I have two children, (6 and
> > 7) so something suitable for them and that will capture their interest.
> >
> > I want to make sure this time that i am doing this properly and offering
> > the fish good life.
> >
> > Any advice appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kez
> >
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