Fish: Re: [tropical fish club] For Connie's Tank

Thanks for the advice, Bill, I appreciate it.
Calling the Ocean Floor and asking about their water is a great idea!
I had a Krib in my other community tank years ago and it was fine.
It was a 40 gallon and I had several different kinds of fish and I can't
remember what other fish there were....LOL!

I do like the idea that the Cichlids seem to have an interesting behavior
that the regular community tank fish do not have. I will have to see what
happens
and having an emergency back up tank is also a great idea!

Maybe Angels with neons would be a better choice as long as the neons were
in
the tank first and the angels were small when first introduced into the tank
....

Maybe Kribs with Angels...That might make an interesting tank.

And the rainbow fish mentioned.....I will have to look into those too.
So many choices...and putting it all together in a safe healthy environment
for the fish is the trick!

Thanks for the advice....
Connie

-------Original Message-------

From: bill 1433
Date: 09/24/12 05:52:50
To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] For Connie's Tank

Hi Connie,

"Maybe Kribs with the neon's"? Here again is a case of try it and see.
In the world of Cichlids anything is possible. But sometimes
experimentation is usually limited to how many tanks the aquarist has on
hand to work with. When putting a Cichlid in with anything other than
another Cichlid, anything can happen.

With this being the case, emergency operations where the removal of the
offending fish is a must, should be upper most in the mind. I have found
that if anything is going to happen, it usually does within the first 24 to
48 hours. If the fish make it past that point I would say that you have a
good chance of keeping the tank together. However, should any sign of
aggression be noticed, like fin nipping or chasing, then quick removal of
the offending fish would be in order.

In your case with already having at least one platy and a few Neon's, I
would go for more of the same. One of my all time favorites is a fish
called the Red Wag Platy. It is basically a bright but deep reddish orange,
with jet-black fins. There is no spotting or discoloration in the body at
all, save for the fins being all black. Since returning to the hobby a few
years ago, I have yet to find even one. They make a very attractive display
along with the Neon's. If you do go to that Pet Center, make sure you check
or call ahead and ask them about their water parameters, especially their pH
value. It might save you a few happy dollars in lost fish.

I had forgotten that part, and went shopping a few weeks ago to a brand new
store, like you driving some distance is also necessary on this end. Just
about every fish I bought died. All the parameters where way out of whack
to what I had here, the difference was too much for the fish to overcome.
Result, extremely highly stressed fish and death.
I have since worked on making adjustments here BEFORE I buy any more fish
and of course, use a quarantine tank when I do. So you see, even an old
salt like me can make mistakes.

bill in pa

--- On Sun, 9/23/12, Connie Watson <clw51@cox.net> wrote:

> From: Connie Watson <clw51@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] For Connie's Tank
> To: "Tropical Fish Club" <tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 5:11 PM
> Bill, I have a 29 gallon tank and I
> do not have live plants.
> I never had any luck with live plants years ago and this
> tank does not have the substrate for plants. This tank is
> simply aquarium gravel, plastic plants and a couple
> decorations.
>
> With the information you gave me and the little time I have
> had to
> look it over.....I am thinking, so far, that deciding to do
> a cichlid tank
> would require changing some of the tank decor to accomodate
> their
> needs. More large rocks or "cave" type areas.
>
> And then what do I do with my neons? Maybe as you mentioned
> small angles that would grow up with them in the tank might
> be
> one way to go. Don't know about angles and my water though.
> But they do sell them here and I have kept them before and
> they
> did fine. So I am thinking they might be ok in my water.
>
> Maybe Kribs with the neons would be ok.....just thinking.
>
> Thanks again,
> Connie
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: bill 1433
> Date: 9/23/2012 11:23:53 AM
> To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] For Connie's Tank
>
> Again your very welcome Connie. I have tried to go
> back through the group site and find the start of
> your first thread. If you have ever worked with Yahoo mail
> you know that it is challenging at best to get any
> information from
> it through its archives without giving yourself a severe
> headache.
>
> What I was trying to find out is what size tank you have?
> Size is another factor that guides you toward what kind of
> fish
> you keep. I also forgot to ask, are you working with
> live plants?
>
> bill in pa
>
> --- On Sun, 9/23/12, Connie Watson <clw51@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Connie Watson <clw51@cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] For Connie's Tank
> > To: "Tropical Fish Club" <tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 12:35 PM
> > Thanks again, Bill, you have given me
> > something to think about and study!
> > Connie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: bill 1433
> > Date: 09/23/12 10:13:55
> > To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] For Connie's Tank
> >
> > Your Welcome Connie,
> >
> > Now you are in the right church but the wrong pew!
> > <g> How come?
> > Because your water is great for what they call African
> > Cichlids. They are
> > very colorful fish and some of the most interesting
> that you
> > will come
> > across in the hobby. In addition, most of them do
> not
> > get the size of
> > whales so keeping a thankful can make quitea display.
> > They will most
> > certainly appreciate your pH.
> >
> > I think I remember somewhere before that you had
> mentioned
> > about
> > Pelvicachromis pulcher, Krebensis? They usually
> like
> > waters that are with a
> > Ph: 6.5 to 7.5; and a water Temperature of about 75 –
> 81
> > degrees with a lean
> > toward harder water values. Sounds like your
> > parameters a bit.
> >
> > Here are some good examples of what those African
> Cichlids
> > look like and
> > some set up photo's too.
> >
> > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/african_cichlid_genus_gallery.php

>
> >
> > http://www.aquahobby.com/e_african_cichlids.php

>
> >
> > This last site has some breath taking photo's of
> some
> > Africans along with
> > some general info on each fish. I'm
> > afraid I can't offer you much support
> > on Africans because I have never gotten into keeping
> any and
> > with my well
> > water here the opposite of you, at 5.5 pH
> > the chances are slim that I ever will. What I can
> tell
> > you from the small
> > bit that I know of them is that if you have a tank for
> them
> > you can not have
> > anything else. For instance, if you have platys
> or
> > Neon's, it's not a good
> > idea to throw any Africans in there, because their
> water
> > parameters are
> > almost exact opposites.
> >
> > Enjoy, and please keep us posted on your progress,
> >
> > bill in pa
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/23/12, Connie Watson <clw51@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Connie Watson <clw51@cox.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] For Connie's
> Tank
> > > To: "Tropical Fish Club" <tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 11:25 AM
> > > Thanks again, Bill, interesting about
> > > your angels!
> > > I am glad to hear it might be possible for angels
> and
> > neons
> > > to live
> > > together.
> > >
> > > It appears my main problem with my water is the
> PH.
> > Being
> > > 8.0
> > > I haven't seen many fish that like that level of
> PH but
> > I
> > > haven't looked
> > > at many. Will have to do a search.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for the links!
> > > Connie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: bill 1433
> > > Date: 09/23/12 08:24:09
> > > To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [tropical fish club] For Connie's Tank
> > >
> > > Hi Connie,
> > >
> > > These sites will also help in making your
> decisions
> > but
> > > please remember,
> > > as fancy as these web-sites are, and as well as
> they
> > are
> > > laid out, they
> > > are still only one person's opinion of what will
> go
> > with
> > > what. You will
> > > find that many times even on this group, that
> some
> > folks
> > > have some
> > > strange tanks put together.
> > >
> > > Myself included here. I have six Angel Fish
> > living
> > > with a handful of Neon
> > > Tetra's in harmony. It's the first
> question
> > people
> > > ask when they see the
> > > tank. Why don't the big fish eat the
> little
> > > fish? Easy they were all
> > > raised together. At that time those saucer
> size
> > Angel
> > > Fish were only the
> > > size of a quarter. Further to demonstrate
> their
> > fierce
> > > nature, last weekend
> > > I attempted to add some Von Rio Tetra's to the
> tank,
> > they
> > > are now gone!
> > >
> > > At first I thought it might be because of the
> water
> > > conditions not matching
> > > or floating them too fast but further examination
> > showed
> > > that they were
> > > either bitten in half or missing other relevant
> parts.
> > > Those Neeon's?
> > > Still just fine.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://tropicalfishandaquariums.com/Compatibility/index.php

>
> >
> > >
> > > http://aquariuminfo.org/compatibility.html

>
> >
> > >
> > > http://badmanstropicalfish.com/fish_chart.html

>
> >
> > >
> > > bill in pa
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