Wednesday, October 31, 2012

[MANCiNGiKANMaS] Re: Update lagi ah utk acara GET 1/12

 

 
 
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Berikut up-date peserta yg telah memberikan tanda jadi acara galatama enduro tournament 1/12/12 jam 10:50 WIB
1. Adoer transfer BCA 50.000
2. Kurnia Zahra Nia Cash 100.000 via benggol
3. Jamalludin Malik transfer BCA 220.000 Lunas
4. Tanto Tungir transfer BCA 50.000
5. Haris Munandar transfer BCA 220.000 Lunas
6. Bang Jalu aka FIrmansyah transfer BCA 50.000
7. Kristanto transfer BCA 50.000



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[MANCiNGiKANMaS] Re: Update lagi ah utk acara GET 1/12

 

 
SUNDUL.....DUL......DUL........... 


Berikut up-date peserta yg telah memberikan tanda jadi acara galatama enduro tournament 1/12/12
1. Adoer transfer BCA 50.000
2. Kurnia Zahra Nia Cash 100.000 via benggol
3. Jamalludin Malik transfer BCA 220.000 Lunas
4. Tanto Tungir transfer BCA 50.000
5. Haris Munandar transfer BCA 220.000 Lunas
6. Bang Jalu aka FIrmansyah transfer BCA 50.000


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Re: [tropical fish club] Water to cycle?

 

While nitrifying bacteria do mostly live on the surface areas within the aquarium and equipment, there is also some that will be free in the water column, it's just minimal.  But, minimal is enough to get a small tank with nothing in it but shrimp started.  If any plants or decor was also taken from the established tank, that, too, would transfer some of the bacteria culture with it. 
The other thing important to remember here is that unless the shrimp were fed heavily, the amount of waste in this tank you mention is going to be minimal.  So... if there's a small amount of bacteria transferred via water/decor and only a small amount of ammonia coming from the shrimp and their food, the tank would balance quickly.

This is the same method I use for setting up most of my new tanks as I get them, and then I start out with 1 small fish or 2 small fish (depending on tank size) just to get things started... sometimes I have used plants, and other times I have used inverts (shrimp, snails, etc.)  The ammonia never really spikes, and the transition through nitrite is minimal and doesn't bother the animals for the day or 2 it lasts, and the nitrates are low because there is minimal amount of waste to be broken down in the first place.  As long as the next animals are added slowly, only a couple at a time, and spaced weeks apart, the tank never goes through all of those big adjustments that happen when a person sets up a new tank (in any way) and then stocks it with full population (or near total) all at once/right away.  There are many benefits to having patience in this hobby.

Dawn

 

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From: Jill Sweeten <shobxrs2@yahoo.com>
Subject: [tropical fish club] Water to cycle?
To: "tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com" <tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:10 AM

 

I am currently cycling a Fluval Spec with ammonia I was on the Planted Tank forum yesterday and saw a nano tank someone had set up with shrimp. The photo said the pic of the tank was taken at 1 week old. I sent a reply asking how he go the tank to cycle so quickly as I thought that shrimp where very sensitive to water parameters. He responded that he didn't cycle it, he just used water from another tank. My question is this, wouldn't ammonia build in this tank since bacteria has not been able to build in the filter media?

Jill

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> Hi Ray, how are you after storm?? We have no power but are very lucky. I think only part of one gutter guard came off when a tree fell. Hope all is well!!!

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Re: [tropical fish club] Re: Prime dose per gallon

 

OK, thanks!




-------Original Message-------

From: Alyce W
Date: 10/31/2012 2:46:04 PM
To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tropical fish club] Re: Prime dose per gallon

I use a syringe that came pre-filled with saline solution from when my hubby
had MRSA and I had to administer medicine; the saline was to clear out the
drip line. I also have used a regular eye dropper, you can get them at the
drug store. Only use a new one, not one that has been used for medicines.
The saline solution I knew would not harm the frogs so I just rinsed out the
syringe really well.

--- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Connie Watson" <clw51@...> wrote:
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> What do you use for a dropper? The bottle of Prime doesn't come with a
> dropper.
> Just curious.
> Connie
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> From: Alyce W
> Date: 10/30/12 08:45:10
> To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tropical fish club] Re: Prime dose per gallon
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> I use Prime myself, Seachem said two drops per gallon. I usually wind up
> squeezing in three! This is just regular dose, double or triple dose can
be
> used for ammonia/nitrite detoxification.
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> --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, Cari <cahyman@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's what I get:
> >
> > 5ml (1 teaspoon) in 50 gallons
> > 1 ml (1/5 teaspoon) in 10 gallons
> > 0.1 ml (1/50 of a teaspoon) in 1 gallon
> >
> > Connie, 2 teaspoons of Prime seems like a lot.
> >
> > I didn't get to do the Prime and tap water test yet. We are stuck at
home
> with the Hurricane so I'll try to do it later.
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[tropical fish club] Re: Prime dose per gallon

 

I use a syringe that came pre-filled with saline solution from when my hubby had MRSA and I had to administer medicine; the saline was to clear out the drip line. I also have used a regular eye dropper, you can get them at the drug store. Only use a new one, not one that has been used for medicines. The saline solution I knew would not harm the frogs so I just rinsed out the syringe really well.

--- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, "Connie Watson" <clw51@...> wrote:
>
> What do you use for a dropper? The bottle of Prime doesn't come with a
> dropper.
> Just curious.
> Connie
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Alyce W
> Date: 10/30/12 08:45:10
> To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tropical fish club] Re: Prime dose per gallon
>
> I use Prime myself, Seachem said two drops per gallon. I usually wind up
> squeezing in three! This is just regular dose, double or triple dose can be
> used for ammonia/nitrite detoxification.
>
> --- In tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com, Cari <cahyman@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's what I get:
> >
> > 5ml (1 teaspoon) in 50 gallons
> > 1 ml (1/5 teaspoon) in 10 gallons
> > 0.1 ml (1/50 of a teaspoon) in 1 gallon
> >
> > Connie, 2 teaspoons of Prime seems like a lot.
> >
> > I didn't get to do the Prime and tap water test yet. We are stuck at home
> with the Hurricane so I'll try to do it later.
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[tropical fish club] Water to cycle?

 

I am currently cycling a Fluval Spec with ammonia I was on the Planted Tank forum yesterday and saw a nano tank someone had set up with shrimp. The photo said the pic of the tank was taken at 1 week old. I sent a reply asking how he go the tank to cycle so quickly as I thought that shrimp where very sensitive to water parameters. He responded that he didn't cycle it, he just used water from another tank. My question is this, wouldn't ammonia build in this tank since bacteria has not been able to build in the filter media?

Jill

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> Hi Ray, how are you after storm?? We have no power but are very lucky. I think only part of one gutter guard came off when a tree fell. Hope all is well!!!
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[MANCiNGiKANMaS] Update lagi ah utk acara GET 1/12

Berikut up-date peserta yg telah memberikan tanda jadi acara galatama enduro tournament 1/12/12
1. Adoer transfer BCA 50.000
2. Kurnia Zahra Nia Cash 100.000 via benggol
3. Jamalludin Malik transfer BCA 220.000 Lunas
4. Tanto Tungir transfer BCA 50.000
5. Haris Munandar transfer BCA 220.000 Lunas
6. Bang Jalu aka FIrmansyah transfer BCA 50.000


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Tuesday, October 30, 2012

[tropical fish club] Ray - you ok after storm?

 

Hi Ray, how are you after storm?? We have no power but are very lucky. I think only part of one gutter guard came off when a tree fell. Hope all is well!!!

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Re: [tropical fish club] any reefers

 

Yes, better for the animals because it adds to the water volume, but also easier for you to maintain.  A lot of people fear the idea of a sump, thinking it's too complicated, which is not true... if it's done properly.  Between posts, emails, and photos I can guide you through if that is needed, 1 step at a time.  I would rather see you get it right from the very start than to go through the expense and worry later and the complicated process it can be to change things around later on.

A sump, quite simply, is the container filled with water that sits below the tank and holds all of your equipment.  Skimmer, pump(s), UV, filter medias, even heater can all go into the sump system where they are easier to maintain without disturbing the animals or main tank.  My
advice in regards to a stand is to make sure it is easy access for you with the 2nd tank underneath.  A "tight squeeze" doesn't work for maintaining something of that nature.  Avoid wrought iron and kd (pressboard) stands because the salt from both tanks will weaken/erode it and eventually it will need to be replaced.  Salt creep will cause wrought iron to rust.  Hard wood, especially if sealed, is the best option and will last the longest if it's made well. 

When a new customer comes to me and says "I want to set up a saltwater/reef tank" the first thing I tell them is "go slow!"  This is to everyone's benefit.  The 2nd thing I tell them is to avoid impulse purchases.  Not only does that get expensive (especially when it's dead fish and/or corals) but impulse buying can quickly wipe out an entire tank.  The risk and expense are worth the patience. 

The next advice I give is to figure out a budget, how much can you afford to spend within the
next 6 wks?  How much, if spread out over 3 months?  Over 6 months?  And once they have a good idea of timeline, we start slow.  Learning the environment is key to success in marine aquaria, but you must also learn about the animals you keep.  My method is to suggest reading an overview of marine fish keeping from a good book or accurate website, then go back to the beginning and build as you read, one chapter at a time.  Pace yourself and give everything the ample time it needs to adjust, function properly, grow, etc.  This buys you time to save the money needed for the right (and good) equipment.  In this hobby you get what you pay for in most cases.  If you go the cheap way out then you will be replacing things more often, ultimately spending much more money.  Saving an extra month or 2 for a quality skimmer makes a huge difference not only in the health of your tank, but for your mental health as
well.  There is nothing more frustrating than having a piece of equipment that you NEED running all the time to break down and leave you with a large expense in replacing it vs a quality product that IF it breaks down, the company will help you with the replacement of it and understand the importance of overnight shipping, etc.  Buying some things 2nd hand is worth the deal, such as used tanks, used filters (especially if you know how to fix them), decor, etc.  But when it comes to UV and skimmer and possibly an overflow accessory kit, if at all possible, stick to a new one that you know doesn't have issues that could cost you more later.  In freshwater we can get away with hanging an air stone and keeping the tank warm with towels and room temps and etc. in cases of a power outage or equipment failure.  Not so easy with a marine tank.

In regards to your sump needs, I would shoot for a 15 gallon tank if you can arrange it, and long is better than tall for something like that because you'll need room to fit all of the equipment in there properly.  The goal should always be to go as large as you can in regards to tank sizes, be it main tank or sump.  The bigger it is the easier it gets.

I did post a new album (Dawn's reef tanks) and put some photos in there for you so you can see my 2 latest reef tanks.  I am in the process of breaking down and replacing the biocube (hubby brought home a new one) and starting it over.  Everything in the photo is now being used for the 75 gallon reef or was sold/traded for something I needed.  I am still considering what I want to put into the new tank and am leaning towards a pair of pipe fish, but not fully decided yet.  I am having a hard time finding access to the species I want.  Options for the small tanks are a bit more limited and there isn't room for much in way of fish.  Finding 3 small fish that are compatible and going to stay small enough to live in that size of a tank permanently can be a difficult task.  The photo of my biocube you will notice there are no fish in the tank.  Other than corals, snails, and hermit crabs, the only other animal in there was a large coral banded shrimp
because of lack of tank size.  To keep that tank looking the way it does in the photo required me to thin things out about once/wk.  That gets time consuming and means trips to the pet store to drop off frags all the time.  The red grape plant in the photo had to be trimmed back weekly and 1/2 the time the excess just went into the trash because it just grew so fast.  If let to go even a few extra days it would wrap around and choke out corals.  It was great for consuming/utilizing nutrients though, so it is now in the sump of my 75 gallon. 

Anyways, I hope you enjoy the photos.  :-)

Dawn   

Dawn Moneyhan
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--- On Tue, 10/30/12, dianne <diavids@gmail.com> wrote:

From: dianne <diavids@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tropical fish club] any reefers
To: tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com
Date:
Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 8:25 PM

 

thanks Dawn,

I think i will end up doing a small reef tank, going to start very slow though. I going to start looking on the used site for odds and ends to save me monies buying new. I'm going to buy the saltwater mixed already, as the store a few blocks away does that, and since i'll have to go out and buy the water anyway, makes sense to buy the water all ready for the tank. I don't have the space to keep much extra. I have been thinking how i could set up a sump which sounds like it would be a good idea. have my 25 gal plus a 10/15 gal sump underneath. I'm going to look around for a stand that i could keep a sump underneath. The person at the reef store told me having a sump isn't important but it would give me more gallons, right, so better for the animals. thanks again

dianne

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[MANCiNGiKANMaS] Re: Up Date peserta "Galatama Enduro Tournament"

 

 

 
Dear All,
 
Terlampir Up Date Peserta "Galatama Enduro Tournament"
Posisi Saat ini :
1. Jamalludin Malik Transfer tgl 25 Okt 2012..... LUNAS + Makan Siang
2. Kurnia Zahra Nia  DP Cash 24 Okt 2012....... Rp. 100.000,- via Benggol
3. Adoer Transfer tgl 22 Okt 2012...................... Rp. 50.000
4. Tanto Tungir  Transfer tgl 30 Okt 2012.......... Rp. 50.000
 
Siapa lagi menyusul.............................
Mungkin perlu diingatkan kembali bahwa setiap peserta diminta memberikan tanda jadi keikut sertaannya maksimal pada tanggal 10/11/12 sudah ditransfer dan dilunasi maksimum tgl 30/11/12
Bagi peserta yang tidak melakukan tanda keikut sertaan maka panitia akan menggeser posisi kepesertaan dengan peserta baru yang berminat
 
 
 
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Re: [tropical fish club] any reefers

 

thanks Dawn,

I think i will end up doing a small reef tank, going to start very slow though. I going to start looking on the used site for odds and ends to save me monies buying new. I'm going to buy the saltwater mixed already, as the store a few blocks away does that, and since i'll have to go out and buy the water anyway, makes sense to buy the water all ready for the tank. I don't have the space to keep much extra. I have been thinking how i could set up a sump which sounds like it would be a good idea. have my 25 gal plus a 10/15 gal sump underneath. I'm going to look around for a stand that i could keep a sump underneath. The person at the reef store told me having a sump isn't important but it would give me more gallons, right, so better for the animals. thanks again
dianne

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Re: [tropical fish club] Connie's Tank 10-30-12

 

I  have to say that my experience goes right along with the Seachem lady.  
 
Donna

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>To: Tropical Fish Club <tropicalfishclub@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:09 PM
>Subject: [tropical fish club] Connie's Tank 10-30-12
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>Tank is 9 weeks old tomorrow.
>29 gallon freshwater tank.
>2 guppies, 1 platy, 2 small Cory cats, 4 neon tetras all happy as came be.
>
>Last dose of Prime was Friday 10-26-12
>Sunday, 10-28-12, PWC of 3 gallons.
>
>API tests:
>Ammonia holding at 2.0 reading
>Nitrites holding at 0
>Nitrates holding at 30-35
>PH holding at 8
>
>SeaChem Free Ammonia test:
>Free Ammonia: .15
>Total Ammonia: 1.0 down from 2.0 on Saturday
>
>Just talked to the SeaChem person again.
>They are aware of the false positive readings for ammonia
>that you can get using Prime and the API test kit.
>She explained the chemistry behind that...but that was over my head.
>LOL!
>She also said the the effectiveness of Prime lasts 72 hours tops.
>And I also discussed with her whether Prime, after 72 hours, is
>still physically in the water to cause the false positive.
>Again she explain things I didn't fully understand and said after
>72 hours there would not be a false positive, but the ammonia
>in the water would mostly be the less toxic form of ammonia.
>And the toxic form would slowly build up again if there is not
>bacteria to eat it.
>
>I told her that Dr. Tim said it would take several water changes
>to get all the Prime out of the water to have a zero ammonia reading.
>She disagreed with that.
>
>She suggested that perhaps I need a bio media for the bacteria
>to grow on in my filter box.
>
>So I am going to try to get some Bio Media in the filter box today.
>And I am still confused about the ammonia readings.
>LOL!
>Connie
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[tropical fish club] Connie's Tank 10-30-12

 

Tank is 9 weeks old tomorrow.
29 gallon freshwater tank.
2 guppies, 1 platy, 2 small Cory cats, 4 neon tetras all happy as came be.

Last dose of Prime was Friday 10-26-12
Sunday, 10-28-12, PWC of 3 gallons.

API tests:
Ammonia holding at 2.0 reading
Nitrites holding at 0
Nitrates holding at 30-35
PH holding at 8

SeaChem Free Ammonia test:
Free Ammonia: .15
Total Ammonia: 1.0 down from 2.0 on Saturday

Just talked to the SeaChem person again.
They are aware of the false positive readings for ammonia
that you can get using Prime and the API test kit.
She explained the chemistry behind that...but that was over my head.
LOL!
She also said the the effectiveness of Prime lasts 72 hours tops.
And I also discussed with her whether Prime, after 72 hours, is
still physically in the water to cause the false positive.
Again she explain things I didn't fully understand and said after
72 hours there would not be a false positive, but the ammonia
in the water would mostly be the less toxic form of ammonia.
And the toxic form would slowly build up again if there is not
bacteria to eat it.

I told her that Dr. Tim said it would take several water changes
to get all the Prime out of the water to have a zero ammonia reading.
She disagreed with that.

She suggested that perhaps I need a bio media for the bacteria
to grow on in my filter box.

So I am going to try to get some Bio Media in the filter box today.
And I am still confused about the ammonia readings.
LOL!
Connie

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