John,
How often do you change how much water?
Charles H
>
> I don't want to ruffle any feathers [or perhaps scales??] here but I
>think the original poster, Deb may be getting confused by the experts
>apparently contradictory comments & sugegstions.
>
>We all agree that the good bugs that keep our tanks eco system running
>should be preserved whenever possible but I think I can see both sides of
>the argument here & they are both valid. Patrick & Charles are saying that
>it is ok to rinse away the small amount of good bugs on a replceable carbon
>pad. Assuming the tank is large & the filtration area also large then a
>small carbon pad is nothing compared to the tank it is in but if we are
>talking about smaller tanks with consequently smaller filters then the
>proportional amount of surface area on a small pad is then far greater & so
>destroying the beneficial bacteria on there could be risking a bacterial
>bloom or worse as Ray suggested.
>
>Personally I don't like the idea of disposable pads purely because they are
>geatred to the beginner & smaller tanks which need established colonies of
>good bugs & in my opinion thye are counter productive. I also have a
>problem with the vast amount of filter systems that include carbon as a
>default part of the set-up when [again in my opinion] that area would be
>far better used up with some inert sponge or polyester foam/floss because
>carbon does not hold a great deal of good bacteria, it needs replacing
>often or else it can leech the toxins back into the tank & you don't really
>need carbon in your filter unless you have a very heavy bio load or need to
>remove medications or other toxins from the water.
>
>The bottom line is that there are probably several hundred people reading
>these posts & if the experts are seeming to disagree [which they are not]
>then the newbies will not only get confused but may go elsewhere & we all
>know how hit & miss the aquatic info is on the net so having a great source
>of info like ours is quite a precious thing.
>
>The only time that I rinse filter material under tap water is when I am
>putting in new polyester foam/polyfilter pads as a water polishing stage or
>changing my filter socks but then it is just to make sure there is no loose
>fibres or dust on them.
>
>Finally I would say that almost all of the manufacturer's claims about
>replacement filtration is based a lot more on profit margins than tank eco
>system longevity. A couple of examples-the first filter I bought about 9
>years ago was a Fluval 3 Plus & although I no longer use it regularly it is
>still in fine fettle & is used occasionally. They recommend changint the
>sponges in there at [I think] 3 month periods but htey are very good
>material & I still have the original pads although they are a little
>discoloured now. The only thing I did swap out regularly was the thin strip
>of polyester floss between the sponges for water polishing but that stuff
>is dirt cheap from any uphostery suppliers. As another example, I bought an
>Eheim 2026 canister about 6 or 7 years ago & it's still in use as part of a
>sub system on my 100 gallon & a most excellent machine it is too! However,
>they recommended changing the ceramic media in each tray alternately over a
>6 month period which is quite ludicrous because that stuff is virtually
>indestructible & will last forever. There is also a thick blue sponge pad
>in the lower basket that they recommend replacing the same time & I still
>have the original one & it is completely intact. The supplied carbon pads
>supplied with both devices has never been used!
>
> John
>
>
>On 3 April 2013 23:03, <sevenspringss@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
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>>
>>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> You may have seen that I posed several questions to Charles on this, to
>> which I have not yet seen his response. Until then, I'll reserve my take
> on
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