Apologies for the typo in "Hi;" I deleted that inadvertant "m' on the end of it as soon as I saw it. Have no idea at all how in got back in there as I KNOW it was gone. Weird things keep happening on the 'Net (or maybe it's just happening in this machine!).
Ray
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@...> wrote:
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> Him Dawn,
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> In Suzi's message (#54993) on June 26 @ 12:24 PM -- I guess, my EDT, as it appears in my InBox -- she wrote "36 gallon," the same message that you replied to with your message (#54995) on June 27 @ 12:22 PM. Check her message out again; you see she wrote 36 gallons. I'm allowing 4 gallons for the Ram pair (only as they'd be in this 36 gallon tank), and allowing the remaining 32 gallons for 32 1" juvies. Of course, most (if not all) of the juveniles would need to be pulled out of that tank once they reached 1" in length. If space were a real issue, 16 of those 32 juvies could stay in this tank to reach adulthood but that would defeat the purpose of having it set up as a breeding tank for the original pair. Definitely, all 32 of these juvies could not remain in this tank once they reached the 1" size. If she meant to write "litres," I don't see any other reference to that.
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> Ray
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> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "dawnshungryeyes4u2c" <dawnshungryeyes4u2c@> wrote:
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> > Hi Suzi & Ray,
> > I think Ray misread something in the original post. The tank that Suzi mentioned keeping these fish in is 32 liters, not 32 gallons... and 32 liters works out to 9.5 gallons.
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> > When it comes to smaller fish and smaller tank sizes, the average rule of thumb is 1 inch of ADULT fish per gallon of tank size. With blue rams averaging about 1.5 - 2 inches as adults, that isn't going to leave much room for breeding them in that size of a tank. They may successfully breed, and as Ray said, each spawn will average about 15 - 20 fry, which means even by the time the fry are 1/2 inch long each, that tank would be way over populated which is sure to cause a lot of issues, not just with water quality but also with the territorial habits of the adult fish. I do not suggest attempting to breed blue rams in this size of a tank unless you have another, larger tank available to move the fry to once they are free swimming, to be raised away from the parents. (at least 30 gallon minimum for a nursery tank to raise them even to 1/2 inch each). In that regard, I'd also like to point out that once they breed successfully, rams are quite prolific (as most cichlids are) and tend to spawn quite regularly thereafter if they are happy and in good conditions... so new spawns should be expected within 1 - 2 wks of removal of each previous spawn. This could quickly max out even another fry tank if it is small, and mixing of various sizes of fry could result in the larger/older fry preying on smaller ones.
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> > Another potential issue to consider before starting on this venture is that getting 2 rams of the same sex to avoid breeding in such a small tank may also likely result in aggression due to lack of territory. 2 rams of the same sex could, however, work just fine in a 25 - 30 gallon tank, especially if it is a long instead of a tall tank. With plenty of decor, that could provide plenty of territory for them each to claim without having issues with each other.
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> > My suggestion, Suzi, is to reconsider your plans and to plan ahead for what would be coming if you were to breed a pair of rams. Do you have an outlet for the fry? How big would the fry have to be before you'd have somewhere to send them? (this will help to determine exactly how much space and how many tanks you would need to raise fry) Do you have the ability to raise the live food (newly hatched brine shrimp) for the ram fry? (that would also require a container of it's own, marine/aquarium salt, air pump and air stones, brine net & brine eggs) The fry would need a food source and would not be able to eat the same food as the parent fish until they are at least 1 - 2 months old.
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> > I'm sorry if this sounds like a lot of work, but put simply, raising rams can be a lot of work and require a fair amount of space and time to accomplish. If this is too much for you, either financially or in regards to time or space, maybe there is another species of fish you might want to consider for your existing 9.5 gallon tank? If you'd like suggestions please feel free to ask. I and many others here would be happy to list some alternative species for you to consider.
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> > Dawn
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> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <sevenspringss@> wrote:
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> > > Hi Suzi,
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> > > This all depends on how long you intend to keep the fry in this tank with the parents, and what size you plan on rearing them to. You could keep the pair and their fry in a 10 gallon tank -- but not for very long. On average, a pair of German Blue Rams will have about 150 eggs/fry. If you plan on raising them up to a juvenile size of about an inch (2.56 cm) long, then you can't keep any more fry than about 32 of them unless you move them to a larger tank -- or destroy the balance of them at around 1/4" long.
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> > > Considering that the parents will be about 2" (5 cm) each, totalling 4" of fish, this 36 gallon tank will support only another 32" of fish.
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> > > Ray
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> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Suzi <abook.lovr@> wrote:
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> > > > I am getting a pair. If they bred, I was hoping the tank would be big enough for the fry.
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> > > > *Suzi*
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> > > > >________________________________
> > > > > From: dawnshungryeyes4u2c <dawnshungryeyes4u2c@>
> > > > >To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:22 PM
> > > > >Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: I have a question about German Rams
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> > > > >
> > > > >In addition to what Bill has said, it also depends on the amount of territory you are going to provide for them. How much and what types of decor you use will make a huge difference. Rams, while small, are still cichlids (dwarf cichlids) and that means territorial by nature and the ability to get aggressive, in particular with others of their own species, especially if any of them form male/female pairs and begin to spawn. They are also very protective of their eggs/fry... which brings me to the next point. How you mix them male/female ratio also will make a difference.
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> > > > >Can you post any photos of the tank before you get them so we can get a feel for the decor in the tank? That would help us a lot in being able to guide you forward with a number of fish and even suggestions for the male/female ratio.
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> > > > >Dawn
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> > > > >--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Suzi <a.pink.myst@> wrote:
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> > > > >> Can someone tell me how many German Rams is good for a 36 gal aquarium?
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