Charles, I agree there was "some" good information contained within that article, but a person would first have to know what is accurate and what is erroneous to pick it out. For that reason alone it is an unreliable and dangerous source to provide for a group filled with beginner hobbyists... especially when there are many fully accurate sources of data to access online on that topic.
Dawn
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Charles Harrison <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Dawn, You didn't look very closely at the References if you find
> little to support the major thesis of the wikipedia explanation of
> the Parasite "has no dormant stage in the lifecycle. Ich does not
> lie in wait for a weakened fish to infect. However, any facto . . . "
>
> "Obviously the whole thing could have been written by a child . . . " ?
> I think not.
> There is a lot of good information within the article and it is worth
> knowing it is there.
>
> One might check out the references:
> http://www.metapathogen.com/ich/
>
> Edward J. Noga, Fish Disease: Diagnosis and Treatment
>
> http://www.aces.edu/dept/fisheries/ , University of Florida,
> Cooperative Extension Services
>
> http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/static/documents/Research/Whitespot.pdf
>
> Marshall Ostrow's book on Goldfish is also referenced and could be a
> good starting point for our Goldfish keeper.
>
> AND TO JOHN's thought:
> In 1992, I needed a way to check to see that I had added enough
> Thiosulfate to completely remove the Chloramine from my tap water.
> The amount of free Chlorine varied a lot month to month. I didn't
> want to add too much Thiosulfate because it can drop the pH if used
> in excess as it reacts with water and Oxygen releasing H2S and
> Sulfuric acid. Just the correct amount is most economical as well.
>
> I found a good formula for OTO Chlorine test solution and doubled the
> concentration of the active ingredient. I have offered this for sale
> since. I use this liquid test solution to test every batch of change
> water I draw. I have checked the water in a lot of fish tanks since
> 1992 for Chlorine. I have been shocked at how much Chlorine most fish
> will tolerate. Even my Killifish will live in 0.01 to 0.05ppm
> Chlorine. However, if a tank is empty of fish and has just had a bout
> with Ich, a complete water change with tap water would kill the free
> swimming stages and the Chloramine could be replaced with a major
> water change in a couple of days giving the life cycle of the
> Parasite a bath of Chlorine for 7 to 10 days and one would not have
> to add any chemicals to the tank to kill the Parasite, just cool it
> off and treat with Chlorine remover and restart the Bio-cycle to be
> Ich free.
>
>
> >John, you are correct about chlorine being a dangerous way to
> >attempt to treat any fish. Chlorine also kills beneficial bacteria
> >on contact. Put simply, chlorine is toxic and that is one major
> >reason why we in the fish hobby teach the use of water conditioners
> >to all... to remove/detoxify the chlorine found in many water
> >supplies.
> >I read through that article at Wikipedia and was quite upset by the
> >number of errors in their information. If you noticed, there was a
> >tag/note in that article explaining that nobody claimed their place
> >as author to that information and provided no references, thus that
> >particular writing could at some point be removed if it is
> >challenged. If I had the time to devote to it right now I would be
> >contacting them at Wikipedia and challenging it myself.
> >
> >This is one more example of not believing everything you read just
> >because it's on the internet. For all we know that article was
> >written by a child or someone who has no real knowledge or
> >experience with fish or ich. The way that article is written I
> >would have to suspect it is one of those because it shows a large
> >lack of knowledge about the topic.
> >
> >Dawn
> >
> >--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, SIMMONDS JOHN <simmonds.john@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Charles,
> >>
> >> I was interested to see Chlorine treatment mentioned as one of the
> >> options on the Wikipedia page for treating Koi & Goldfish-surely the
> >> poisonous effects of the Chlorine would make this treatment deadly or am I
> >> missing something?
> >>
> >> John*<o)))<*
> >>
> >>
> >> On 31 May 2013 03:48, Charles Harrison <charles@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > **
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Please reference:
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyophthirius_multifiliis
> >> >
> > > > "There is no dormant stage in the lifecycle. Ich does not lie in wait
> > > > for a weakened fish to infect. However, any facto . . . "
> > > >
> >> > There have been many serious investigations into the life cycle of
> >> > the Protozoa.
> >> >
> >> > Also PLEASE Note:
> >> >
> >> > " Heat treatment
> >> > Heat treatment can be highly effective, and it can be combined with
> >> > other treatments. However, it can only be used on fish that can
> >> > tolerate high water temperatures, and is unsuitable for cold water
> >> > fish like koi and goldfish, but even in those cases, a higher water
> >> > temperature will accelerate the life-cycle of the parasite, allowing
> >> > other treatments to take effect sooner."
> >> >
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~
> >> >
> >> > There is very good information in this reference and the references
> > > > included.
>
>
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>
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